July 26, 2012 at 12:55 pm #1280
Apex and Players with Ambitions, please do the following:
1) Agree on Match Time
2) Agree on Server match will be played on
3) Get 2 impartial referees to commit to refereeing the match.
People interested in volunteering for this match, please post here with the following:
1) Nickname in FEAR
3) CPU and GPU (For filming quality reasons)
July 26, 2012 at 6:52 pm #1304
- This topic was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by =MXT=Fred.cpp.
I’m sorry for making a bit of a mess in the tournament from its beginning. Shame that this situation happened already in the first match. I haven’t really made screenshots from in-game chat about referee situation, cause I thought it was irrelevant and that the match will be played without any complications. However I have an xfire log that should solve the case:
[23:39] Stokenwitch: did you post to get a ref?
[23:39] Stokenwitch: dont we need somebody to ref the game?
[23:40] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: I will find someone
[23:45] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: I will ask ciccio
[23:45] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: knesetur declined.,
[23:45] Stokenwitch: ok
[23:45] Stokenwitch: if we dont find one
[23:45] Stokenwitch: just be honest
[23:46] Stokenwitch: both teams
[23:46] Stokenwitch: so there is no issue
[23:50] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: ok
[23:50] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: I cant find ref.
[23:50] Stokenwitch: owell
[23:50] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: xf off
[23:50] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: you can try to find it
[23:50] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: I am going on dp
[23:50] <Ten użytkownik przestał grać w FEAR Multiplayer>
[23:51] =!G$E!=Brz3zio-pWa.: cu
Rozmowa zakończona: Wed, Jul 25 23:51:02 2012July 26, 2012 at 7:07 pm #1305
Regarding the post above, i see that he does actually have evidence from my teamate stoken. however stoken is not a team leader and he shouldn’t have came across this agreement to begin with.we were not informed of this agreement prior to this match. he acknlowdged this himself. we wanted a referee to begin with and the match should have been recorded. as a team we felt some may have been using sound glitches and excessive glitches. without a referee we are not able to decide if points needed to be deducted. and our team leader would have needed to been on to decide an official date to play, like it says in the guidelines, and we needed to inform you guys about the match which no one knew about. however way you put it, this game was very disorganized and very unofficial to begin with. this is the truth of the matter. being that it was t he very first match played in the tournament it was only predictable that a situation like this would happen and we apologize but sometimes you just call it like it is. with an agreed rematch, we can be sure that not only will this situation not happen again, but let it be an example to other teams that for now on, every scheduled match should be authorized by an admin from this site first, and recorded by judges.
July 26, 2012 at 7:32 pm #1308
- This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by BuLLeTs.
This is not an excuse just because we were defeated and we would like a repeat. I stated that if both teams were honest there should be no problem with the match. The issue is that as a team we don’t believe that PWA was playing honestly. All four players on our team noted that they had an unusually difficult time hearing players on the other team throughout both matches. It is explicitly mentioned in the rules that there is no sound glitching allowed. As a team we think that this was violated and that is why we believe that there needs to be a replay of this round and a ref present to record and monitor fair play. Sorry that this turned into a bigger issue than it needed to be.July 26, 2012 at 7:36 pm #1309
with that being said, back to the first post at hand:
we need to agree on a match date, and some referees that are honest and can record a fairly played bout.
so any other input from both teams would be great.July 26, 2012 at 7:40 pm #1310
Meh, it sucks that a situation like this has came up already, It was definitely an Unofficial match and I also had my suspicions of some players in pwa using sound glitches…. For the majority of the match I couldn’t hear them at all and I have good sound normally if there is no glitching going on so I found it odd that I could rarely hear them whatsoever. There must be Referee’s for it to be an official match, recording and spectating looking out for glitches or hacks… it even says that here on the website. Bottom line is there should have been a Referee or two of them watching each team. It was a poorly organized match therefore I think it should definitely be played again…. properly organized where 2 Referees can spectate and record the matches.July 26, 2012 at 7:43 pm #1311
Stokenwitch is listed as a team captain on fraggednation. I don’t really care for situation between members in your team. As we said to stoken and to all of you on the server, we couldn’t find a referee and told you that we are fine playing without any. If it mattered to you that much why haven’t you bothered to get one ? We would surely wait, as we waited on nova to appear, even that it was late at night and a bit inconvenient for us.
Is accusing us of any unfair game another try to get a rematch ? I see that you are trying everything possible. I can assure you that my players are fair with the rules as we respect this game and what you showed in game was a complete opposite…
Tournament might not be as organized yet as it should be, but that is not a reason for any team to get an advantage of it like you are trying to do.July 26, 2012 at 7:56 pm #1312
“Stokenwitch is listed as a team captain on fraggednation.”
Stokenwitch is not a team captain!
“As we said to stoken and to all of you on the server, we couldn’t find a referee and told you that we are fine playing without any.”
I have NO recollection of this!
“Is accusing us of any unfair game another try to get a rematch ? I see that you are trying everything possible. I can assure you that my players are fair with the rules as we respect this game and what you showed in game was a complete opposite…”
The point you are making here makes it clear to me that you guys are doing everything YOU to make us look like we’re telling lies. this is simply not the case. we wanted fair play in each game and this was not guaranteed due to lack of judges and authorization by judges. It’s only natural that you’re team does the opposite of us, and try to get your point across that this match was official…but doing so makes your teams reputation look rather unsophisticated,being that following some simple rules and guidelines is of such distress to you. I say, if rules can’t be properly be enforced, what’s the point of having a tourney? You might as well not even have a website then. They aren’t reading whats written on it to begin with!July 26, 2012 at 8:00 pm #1313
@ Bullets – Stoken is a team Captain on the tournament site http://www.fraggednation.com/members/t/Team-Apex-19520, so that argument doesn’t really hold.
As far as the sound glitching, I do sympathize with you there because the sidestep glitch is abused by a lot of players, and really can ruin a game. Do you have any proof that this glitch was being used? Did you actually see players moving around without their legs moving while not producing audible footsteps?
Bear in mind, it is still quite easy to pass through many passages of the map without making a sound just by jumping in the right places, which is not prohibited. It’s important to differentiate between the two.
I’m not gonna make a judgment call here as I don’t feel like I should be able to make one. It’s not my place to arbitrate this myself. I just hopped on this week because some serious organizing needed to be done to make sure the tournament didn’t fail.
Both sides make good points and I’m not going to say anyone is more in the wrong than the other right now.
A captain did agree to not play with referees. We want this tournament to be accommodating and fun for all parties without being too hard with rules about organizing matches. I think we’re all adults here and should be able to coordinate with each other and uphold agreements, but we should also follow the rules. The rules aren’t set out to complicate matters, but we do need them to keep things organized and have the games run as smooth as possible for everyone. So basically right now we have rules being broken by both teams in agreeing to play without a ref, and claims from another team of other wrongdoing in the match. This is kind of why you should have referees to begin with, but if both teams agree to play without them then it kind of becomes a grey area.
I’d like some more input from both teams as well as other volunteers, admins, and even team captains from other teams while keeping this as professional and courteous as possible. Right now I’m going to just stay like Belgium and be neutral.
Possible solutions I foresee:
1) Rematch because of both teams agreeing to play with no refs, which technically is against the rules (but we should accommodate the wishes of teams if they can agree with each other)
2) Rematch because of glitching (but not really a good reason without adequate proof)
3) Win to PWA because both teams agreed to play without refs and they won
4) Both teams take turns playing a scrim (nonofficial match) against CE and whoever does the best against us gets to decide outcome of this match (kind of joking but cool idea if you like to gamble ;D)
So fellow admins and community members, what say you?July 26, 2012 at 8:07 pm #1314
Let’s leave this for an admins decision, because I don’t see a point in further discussion with you.July 26, 2012 at 8:11 pm #1315
Just rematch god damn, its a game, its not like there’s a $10000 prize to the winners, It was stated there needs to be a referee, if you couldn’t get one you should of made another time to play or atleast posted here on the forums you organized your match privately and will post screenshots of the scores.
Obviously we cant wait around for ref’s, so atleast let Fred or one of the Admins know that your playing.July 26, 2012 at 8:19 pm #1318
I’ll leave this to the admins.
But i will say this, my arguement about stokenwitch not being a team captain is valid because leadpoison is the actual team leader, followed by me because we started this team. the only reason he was given fraggednation leadership was because leadpoison went MIA for a couple of days and he gave stoke leadership abilities on fraggednation for a limited time so that he could expand our roster with Brutal1ity while LP was gone. stoke had his phone number for this request,which i did not. just because it says it on the website,you cant automatically judge a book by its cover.
July 26, 2012 at 8:33 pm #1321
- This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by BuLLeTs.
I’m not the main admin in the tournament, but I’m one of the ones who planned It in the community. I asked @exhail for some help on this because I lack some time and experience on these events, and I thank him a lot for It.
I must say I was kinda surprised the match was played without any request for a referee ( here in the community, we didn’t even know until I checked fraggednation page and noticed the result was there), Also we discussed that the matches were going to be recorded, not as a anticheat action, but to help promote the game, since all rounds were going to be uploaded to youtube.
At first It was nice to see both teams agree on playing and I was going to take the result as acceptable, but looking at how things are, now I think we should just apply the rules and request a rematch, with 1 oe 2 referees and recording.
It’s weird you couldn’t find me since I’m usually here, I even noticed in xfire they were playing, but I since we got no notifications I thought was a training scrim or something.
I will be available Today and saturday If you decide to play those days, except If I have to play simultaneously. Also, posting here the date and time, some other community members could help too.
I want to apologize for this incident, since maybe Is part our fault for not making some of the rules more clear, but we weren’t notified at all about the match.
What do you think @whippingpost?July 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm #1333
Ok, It’s confirmed: Every matchmust have a referee. If not, the match won’t be official.
So Let us know when you are playing.July 27, 2012 at 3:17 pm #1334
Ok, please set up a rematch so we can make it official. I don’t know if there were really any valid reasons for this or not. However since there is an issue regaurding glitches or unfair actions and there was not any moderators in the match i think the only thing to do is schedule a re-match with referee’s. I’ll be on x-fire (slatebaks) and teamspeak (18.104.22.168:9123) so you can reach me there. We will be waiting for the responce of the rematch.
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